<>--------------------------------------------------------------<> The Bike Detail provides a great service at a reasonable price. If you have ever watched one of his demonstrations on bike cleaning, they are well worth the time, even to watch again as no two are the same and you'll pick up new pointers. The Bike Detail uses a "special formula" degreaser that they called Grit-N-Spit that they claim is safe and effective to clean all parts of the bicycle from the tires, frame, tape, to the entire drive train. The Bike Detail use to sell a "kit" which included a small 4oz bottle of concentrate that you were supposed to mix a capfull into a small spray bottle. Refills were $10. I believe I have found a similar commercial product, if not actually what TBD used. Blue Wolf Concentrate All-Purpose Cleaner and Degreaser (Blue Wolf Sales & Services, Inc., Route 1 Jewell Ridge, VA 24622, (276)881-8186) comes in a one quart spray bottle sold at our local Food City for about $3. Blue Wolf seems to do an equal job cleaning my bike using about a 1/5 concentrate with water, and may work quite well in an even more dilute solution. I recommend NOT using this cleaner full strength on your bike. 5/2005 <>--------------------------------------------------------------<>